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Johann Hari On Why You Can't Pay Attention (& How To Reclaim Your Focus) — The Rich Roll Podcast

Feb 2022 🇺🇸 The Rich Roll Podcast

In this two-hour-plus conversation, endurance athlete and podcaster Rich Roll and Hari go deep on the twelve factors Stolen Focus links to shrinking attention, including social media business models Hari describes as built around surveillance and engagement rather than user wellbeing. They discuss what Hari calls the systemic side of the problem — platform design, workplace pressure, environmental stress — as distinct from what individuals can control day to day, and spend significant time on why he thinks personal fixes like app-blockers help but cannot substitute for changes to how technology companies are incentivized. TechKids Foundation includes this long-form interview as one of the most detailed public conversations Hari has given on the book's argument and its proposed remedies.

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Hari, Johann, interviewed by Rich Roll. "Johann Hari On Why You Can't Pay Attention (& How To Reclaim Your Focus)." The Rich Roll Podcast, episode 661, February 14, 2022. YouTube.

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